You keep explaining to the graphics community that colord “just works”. And I keep explaining, why it can and will not so easily in heterogeneous environments, which become more and more present in our digital life. But maybe it´s just me who sees this.

http://www.oyranos.org/scm?p=cinepaint.git

However, most of the criticism, including mine, is a matter of teething troubles, and frankly us unixites are a bit bad at giving up our favoured way of doing things for a new one. By the time we’ve had this a few years, we’ll be as hacked of by the changes in Gnome4 as we are going from 2 to 3.

I wasn’t quite sure what you were trying to achieve with that survey idea, but thanks to your mean and arrogant behavior here throughout the whole discussion there is NO way now you can assure me you have good intentions.

Honestly, I don’t see the point of continuing this dialog.

What fact exactly?

The fact that something is wrong.

Yes, except the things that would explain why we find those other things.

This is not a magic daddy that would answer all your “why?” questions. Every survey has a limited scope. If you have a useful question you think might help, by all means, please share it.

What you are saying is the equivalent to, this software has bugs, therefore it’s not perfect, therefore it should not be released at all. Come on, this is what we have, either contribute to it, or shut up.

Haven’t I already described the problems I have with some parts of your survey? What else do you need?

You can see good examples of people making useful contributions in that link. You can do the same. Saying “this is not good” is useless, like saying; this software is crashing, fix it.

Ah, so when Stormy told you she was interested in seeing the survey deployed she was afraid?

She was just being diplomatic. She knew that saying “this survey must not be done” wouldn’t look good, so she said it would be good to have a survey, whoever, this has many issues, and I can’t suggest improvement, so it must not be done with GNOME blessing. Effectively it’s the same thing with softer words.

If she really wanted this survey, why didn’t she reply to my inquiry into exactly what needed to be done to make this happen?

Just when I thought when I would get a childish comment, here you come and present one.

I am just replying to your childish comment.

Except that my comment is actually true. Look closely to your post, you are not presenting evidence to GNOME listening to users, you are presenting people explaining their excuses for not listening to users.

You already got replies from people who told you they did user testing, but didn’t find the time or the need to publish notes.

Really? How many people were present in these mythical studies? 2, 5, 10? How were these tests conducted? What were the tests looking for? What are the results? Did the results got translated into actions?

You don’t know. Nobody knows. You are just assuming the best, it’s wishful thinking, it’s not evidence. Imagine Enron pleading to court saying they have done proper audits, they just haven’t had the time to show them to anybody. That’s not evidence.

Even if these surveys were actually conducted perfectly, and looked at 100% percent of the GNOME UI, they wouldn’t have been conducted on a significant sample of the population.

So what does user-tests tell you about how the users feel? Nothing, user studies are not for that.

What fact exactly?

> There’s plenty of things we could find.

Yes, except the things that would explain why we find those other things.

> You don’t need to be subscribed, you can read it online, and then you can contact me directly.

Haven’t I already described the problems I have with some parts of your survey? What else do you need?

> Because they are afraid of the results. I already said it.

Ah, so when Stormy told you she was interested in seeing the survey deployed she was afraid? And when other people told you that they were afraid too? Dropping inconvinient facts won’t get you any far, I’m afraid.

> You are describing your post.

Just when I thought when I would get a childish comment, here you come and present one. Bravo So predictable.

> Please, show some evidence where GNOME developer have lifted a finger to get some user feedback in numbers. A survey, a poll, enabling voting in bugzilla or anything.

You already got replies from people who told you they did user testing, but didn’t find the time or the need to publish notes. Maybe you should try fetching details from them in a polite manner instead of overeacting and insulting them? Show some people skills.

If your wife told you she is unhappy in the marriage with you, would you stop at that? Or would you try to find out what is it exactly that bothers her?

First you have to acknowledge that fact. GNOME people have not done that.

A survey for survey’s sake? Seriously, learn some marketing. It will do you good.

I have already explained all the benefits a survey could bring. We could find that most GNOME users are geeks. We could find that most GNOME users think the project is headed in the wrong direction. We could find that young people tend to like GNOME better than old people. We could find that a significant portion of users don’t use plain GNOME but a different window manager. etc.

There’s plenty of things we could find. Or we could find nothing of statistical significance.

That all depends on the results of the survey.

I didn’t even know I was subscribed to it. Thanks for telling me!

You don’t need to be subscribed, you can read it online, and then you can contact me directly.

Or you could comment directly on it.

https://gist.github.com/1128166

Dunno. Because they are evil? Because you fail to see the obvious and lkeep pushing? Because Mars is about to invade Earth? You tell me

Because they are afraid of the results. I already said it.

I don’t habitually accept overreactions driven by lack of knowledge and common sense.

You are describing your post.

Please, show some evidence where GNOME developer have lifted a finger to get some user feedback in numbers. A survey, a poll, enabling voting in bugzilla or anything.

No, you don’t have any evidence. You are basing your claim on pure wishful thinking.